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Player A: 1000 Power + 2000 Bonus Damage + 500 Basic Damage

Player B : 500 Endurance

Player A gave to player B :

{[1000 ÷ (1000 + 500)] × 2000} + 500 = 1.333+500 = 1.833

Player C : 1500 Endurance

Player A gave to player C :

{[1000 ÷ (1000 + 1500)] × 2000} + 500 = 800+500 = 1.300

I hope I was able to explain?

In the new update, floors give much more exp than loot.

For example, I am in the 2450th level.

According to the difficult grove The loot I received was 200,000 gold and 48 exp. Since it is an event (Because it is an event)

But when I win the 30th layer 1 time 4.000.000 gain loot and 4400 exp.

The person who performs the mission earns 150 million gold per day without gaining any exp. A person who does not perform a mission earns 150 thousand exp in addition to 150 million gold.

Although both have the same loot, one is level 1000 and the other is level 300. A level 1000 guy has the same characteristics as a level 300 guy.

You don't play updates, you grind over quests and caves. It reached level 600 with 1 billion gold in 1 month

The other one plays with the update, it reaches 600 levels with 200 million gold in 5 days.

It's all a matter of preference.

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How killing artificially created "leftovers troops" from enemy formations will be interesting? How those formations will form? What Cap limit, what lvl? Less profitable = why someone would like to do it when he/she can do "more profitable" regular Ancestral Ruins?

Ok, but you say you know ruines mechanics?

Now in normal ancestral you have power limit as (level + 1) * 10 points

Your units cost 2 / 3 / 4 / 7 / 10 / 15 / 18 / 30 power points respectively

Mosnter units cost 1 / 2 / 3 / 5 / 6 / 10 / 12 / 20 / 25 / 30 points respectively.

Current enemy formation is generated randomly, to fill these points, but with some allowed ranges for units (you'd never see 10+ liches for example or very rare (I did not)).

The generation for new Ruines could have the same logic. Nothing new or special.

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"Current enemy formation is generated randomly, to fill these points, but with some allowed ranges for units (you'd never see 10+ liches for example or very rare (I did not))." - that is wrong. Enemy formations are pre-determined and are repeating but not random! Creators added limited possible formations to the game and formation is not generated randomly by engine but taken from the pool - database of possible variants. Those variants seems to increase in number in higher layers but for lvl 1-10 predicted enemy formations are very much limited for example in layer 1 you have only 2 possible enemy formations 2 skeletons 9 zombies or 10 zombies and nothing more. For lvl 2 you have only this possible formations:

1/10/3

4/7/4

4/10/2

3/9/3

3/12/1

2/5/6

2/11/2

1/7/5

2/8/4

3/6/5

so from 2 at layer 1 it jumps to 10 in layer 2. In layer 3 all possible formations are also 10 in total:

4/12/4

4/15/2

2/16/2

2/13/4

1/12/5

3/11/5

0/11/6

4/9/6

3/11/5

5/10/5

and it keeps increasing in numbers of possible formations for higher levels. In layer 10 as far as I discovered there is 33 unique possible enemy formations in total.

This way instead of processing and calculating each time game only choose one of the possible variants from the database and show it to player. It means that without changing anything to the mechanics game will use exactly the same pool of possible formations for layers in "Undead ruins" as it gives for regular Ancestral ruins resulting in very repetitive enemy encounters.

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I think you have not played the game enough. The amount of data you have is quite limited. I have 3,821 different confirmed battles between layers 1 and 40.

For example, on layer 3, I have fought a total of 220 battles, and I have 15 different enemy formations recorded. These are:

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1. [R1:0-R2:11-R3:6]
3. [R1:1-R2:12-R3:5]
4. [R1:1-R2:18-R3:1]
6. [R1:2-R2:10-R3:6]
7. [R1:2-R2:13-R3:4]
8. [R1:2-R2:16-R3:2]
10. [R1:3-R2:11-R3:5]
11. [R1:3-R2:14-R3:3]
12. [R1:3-R2:17-R3:1]
14. [R1:4-R2:9-R3:6]
15. [R1:4-R2:12-R3:4]
16. [R1:4-R2:15-R3:2]
18. [R1:5-R2:13-R3:3]
19. [R1:5-R2:10-R3:5]
20. [R1:5-R2:16-R3:1]

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Regarding the other issue, you also stated that your simulator had reached 100% accuracy, but none of the results you provided were correct. I am quite sure that if I were to send you my 3,821 verified battles, your simulator would probably produce correct results at around 90% accuracy.

Since you have not tested it extensively enough, the results may appear correct to you.

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I'm testing it extensively the issue I face is not the model itself but the formation search engine at the moment. I'm trying to eliminate old wrongly saved battle records. I have 99,89% accuracy on all my verified fights. I may have less unique enemy formations on layer 3 than you but we all know the number of them is fixed.

Meaby your battle saving system is not perfect and saved you wrong results?

I am aware of this issue on my side because my model was developing and not all saved fights may be 100% correct to the truth in-game but 99.89% are the same as my model predicts.

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Does your simulator have a batch testing feature? If you have one, I would like to send you 300 randomly selected verified battle reports in txt format. You give me the results you get in txt format and I pass it through my simulator and tell you the result.

Or in the same way, if you have verified results, you can send them to me in txt format. I will send you the results I got from my own simulator.

By the way, can you throw me the layers of combat that don't give the right result in your simulator?

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"Remains less profitable than the current Ruins, helping maintain game balance."

Removed this to avoid possible misleadings. Just wanted to note - this undead ancestral will be less profitable than existing ruins, but still profitable and still interesting

How killing artificially created "leftovers troops" from enemy formations will be interesting? How those formations will form? What Cap limit, what lvl? Less profitable = why someone would like to do it when he/she can do "more profitable" regular Ancestral Ruins?

Ok, but you say you know ruines mechanics?

Now in normal ancestral you have power limit as (level + 1) * 10 points

Your units cost 2 / 3 / 4 / 7 / 10 / 15 / 18 / 30 power points respectively

Mosnter units cost 1 / 2 / 3 / 5 / 6 / 10 / 12 / 20 / 25 / 30 points respectively.

Current enemy formation is generated randomly, to fill these points, but with some allowed ranges for units (you'd never see 10+ liches for example or very rare (I did not)).

The generation for new Ruines could have the same logic. Nothing new or special.

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"Current enemy formation is generated randomly, to fill these points, but with some allowed ranges for units (you'd never see 10+ liches for example or very rare (I did not))." - that is wrong. Enemy formations are pre-determined and are repeating but not random! Creators added limited possible formations to the game and formation is not generated randomly by engine but taken from the pool - database of possible variants. Those variants seems to increase in number in higher layers but for lvl 1-10 predicted enemy formations are very much limited for example in layer 1 you have only 2 possible enemy formations 2 skeletons 9 zombies or 10 zombies and nothing more. For lvl 2 you have only this possible formations:

1/10/3

4/7/4

4/10/2

3/9/3

3/12/1

2/5/6

2/11/2

1/7/5

2/8/4

3/6/5

so from 2 at layer 1 it jumps to 10 in layer 2. In layer 3 all possible formations are also 10 in total:

4/12/4

4/15/2

2/16/2

2/13/4

1/12/5

3/11/5

0/11/6

4/9/6

3/11/5

5/10/5

and it keeps increasing in numbers of possible formations for higher levels. In layer 10 as far as I discovered there is 33 unique possible enemy formations in total.

This way instead of processing and calculating each time game only choose one of the possible variants from the database and show it to player. It means that without changing anything to the mechanics game will use exactly the same pool of possible formations for layers in "Undead ruins" as it gives for regular Ancestral ruins resulting in very repetitive enemy encounters.

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I think you have not played the game enough. The amount of data you have is quite limited. I have 3,821 different confirmed battles between layers 1 and 40.

For example, on layer 3, I have fought a total of 220 battles, and I have 15 different enemy formations recorded. These are:

Regarding the other issue, you also stated that your simulator had reached 100% accuracy, but none of the results you provided were correct. I am quite sure that if I were to send you my 3,821 verified battles, your simulator would probably produce correct results at around 90% accuracy.

Since you have not tested it extensively enough, the results may appear correct to you.

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I am stuck on Level 86. My unit cap is 870.

I have already tried the following combinations and all of them ended in a loss (around 4348 EXP).

T1 | T2 | T3 | T4 | T5 | T6 | T7

70 | 102 | 50 | 4 | 13 | 2 | 2

82 | 94 | 50 | 4 | 13 | 2 | 2

82 | 99 | 50 | 4 | 13 | 1 | 2

91 | 90 | 50 | 10 | 10 | 2 | 1

Does anyone have a setup that can beat Level 86?

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Give me enemy formation and I will give you answer. I'm happy because I replicated model 1:1 and reached 100% match.

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I am also working on the algorithm. So far, I have analyzed 3,821 confirmed different battles between layers 1–40. My algorithm produced the same result as the system in 3,817 of them. It produced different results from the system in only 4 of them.

Would it be possible for me to send you these 4 battles, and for you to send me the number of losses calculated by your system?

#w1 / Enemy: [R1:8-R2:33-R3:12] --- Us: [T1:1-T2:2-T3:0-T4:5-T5:1-T6:0-T7:0-T8:1]

#w2 / Enemy: [R1:4-R2:26-R3:8] --- Us: [T1:0-T2:2-T3:0-T4:2-T5:1-T6:0-T7:0-T8:1]

#w3 / Enemy: [R1:9-R2:41-R3:23-R4:8] --- Us: [T1:12-T2:2-T3:4-T4:7-T5:1-T6:1-T7:0-T8:1]

#w4 / Enemy: [R1:32-R2:15-R3:15-R4:21-R5:18-R6:8] --- Us: [T1:34-T2:1-T3:1-T4:18-T5:1-T6:4-T7:0-T8:1]

According to your system, how many losses are there from each unit type?