Posts by TanarisJupiter

Quote from metalcamp

almost 2 months and bug isn't fixed

• +15% Equipment Drop Chance.

What's the purpose of event if items above 80 don't drop in inventory? At least stop dropping spam items from layers 1-30

Is this true that above 8000lvl items from 101, 100 are not going to eq? Because if it is then it is major issue with late game and by that I mean massive failure because at certain point let's say lvl 15000 you won't be able to win in grotto lvl hard or even medium if we won't get gear for lvl above 10000 then only weapon slot will work till around 10000 lvl.

The problem is that power creep for monsters in grotto, adventure and everywhere else is increasing disproportionally to power creep of player and we will hit a wall if high lvl items from ruins won't be fixed. I have lvl 7200 or something and by December probably 8000, next year 9500-10000 and 2 years from now most likely 11000-12000 so I'm not that far from hitting a wall too...

Quote from Freya

I recently deleted my account, which had reached level 5,200, on the S56 TR server.

I strongly suspect that the players occupying the top 10 positions in the rankings are using bots or other automated tools.

I submitted numerous support tickets asking the game management to investigate these players and review their server logs. These players appear to be farming and progressing almost 24/7 without interruption, which raises serious concerns about fair play.

Despite my repeated reports and requests for an investigation, I have not seen any meaningful action taken.

After spending so much time and effort reaching level 5,200, I finally decided to delete my account.

It is extremely disappointing to see suspicious activity continue without any visible consequences, despite repeated reports.

I am not asking for anyone to be punished without evidence. I am simply asking for a fair and thorough investigation based on server logs.

Unfortunately, I have lost confidence in the enforcement of the game's rules, and that is why I decided to leave.

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I done everything that I could to report *** but I was mistreated badly in support. I provided Gameforge with procedures and instructions on how to submit a request to have their game-automating add-ons removed from the Google and Firefox add-on stores. I even reported it to google add-on store on their behalf.

It turns out that this is their own tool for their own game or they benefitting financially from allowing this bot-thing to exist. The support team is horrible and support team from poland is not horrible but their hands are completely tied because they aren’t allowed to do anything because germans are in charge and all the decissions must be approved by people from Germany anyway.

If you want to complain they will simply tell you "get lost" and mark your ticket as resolved without even responding to it.

Quote from MMpire

Hi everyone,

I was wondering how long it usually takes for the BiteFight support team to investigate a player reported for cheating. I submitted a ticket two days ago, but so far I haven't received any response or noticed any action being taken. Does anyone know the average response time for these kinds of reports? Is it normal to wait this long?

Thanks in advance!

They won't respond, inform you about the result or say anything to you. The most you can expect from them is reply that it was redirected to appropriate people and that they will investigate the issue. After this you won't be informed about anything and your report will be closed.

That is the most positive scenario because you have more chances that they will close your report without even responding to it.

If you don't believe me, I have screenshots and proof that this is true. I won't be posting it publicly of course or showing it to you but you will find out yourself.

Quote from Maeve

Hello

The event should now be working normally, with the correct bonuses applied.

If you encounter any other issues, please don't hesitate to let us know.

Thank you!

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The issue I observed lately was that event +100% AP was cancelled day before it's timer end and replaced by hellstones discount event. In result I lost around 100 AP because I had 370 AP at that moment and I didn't knew that they will reduce by 1 day 100% AP event. Now, I alredy farmed my potions and I'm on 4h timer when this event was fixed so why does it have to be like that?

Quote from dekabc

I don't see any bigger point of this update if we don't get better equipment.

I agree, for players who plays without hellstones this update is nothing more than nerf and promotion of P2W.

"insted making something easyer fur us,lets say when you put your army in layer option as SAVE army soo we dont need to press every time same layers"

yes so I have to copy-paste inside-layer page and change number to quickly go to next one. Even a simple arrow allowing to go to next layer from battle result page would be quality-of-life improver.

Recently I posted topic asking if Gameforge is collaborating with * and at first, my post was hidden from public view to be reviewed by moderator and then afterwards deleted without any message explaining me why, so now I cannot see it. I would like to know why.

The case:

Guy is making money out of your game by offering people automation tools from here:

My only request was to ask Gameforge if they can report this addon to firefox addons and google addons to be deleted from public. That's it.

As the new update came in, which looks like the missing part of previous ancestral ruins update we still face huge problem with items dropping in ancestral ruins. Those have such bad statistics that every single one I'm forced to throw away. The problem is that I have to do it often because otherwise my bags are full and this prevents me from doing certain actions like e.g. buying potions or even fighting in ancestral ruins on levels with possible item reward.

My suggestion is as follows:

Ultra simple but very effective way of fixing this problem:

1. Do nothing except changing stats depending on which ritual buff player is on:

a) 25% from potion S = stats of items dropped from ancestral ruins increased by 25%

b) 15% from potion A = stats of items dropped from ancestral ruins increased by 15%

c) 10% from potion B = stats of items dropped from ancestral ruins increased by 10%

etc.

This will slightly increase chance that at least some of them will turn out to be useful and it still won't match the power of items available for hellstones.

2. Don't force players to have item reward chance and allow them to choose if they want item drop chance or additional gold drop chance. Don't put items on player's inventory slots if they don't want it.

I would like to ask other players what they think of items from ancestral ruins from scale 0 to 10, how good they are for them? Are they happy with it or they are tired of being forced to throw trash stuff which have weaker stats than non-exceptional items from merchant?

Looks like you pretty much completed this new expansion in 30 minutes what an adventure...

Quote from dekabc

I don't see any bigger point of this update if we don't get better equipment.

I only assume that paying hellstones for resurrecting troops in ancestral ruins didn't work for them as planned. They deliberately created such ruin battle system so that players either lose whole army or lose very little. Meaby they thought that we won't reverse-engineer it and that people will actually pay money for troops resurrection. This didn't happened.

Now, I think that they're trying to force people to spend money on 4th slot and lucky roll S,A potions but I see here the bigger sad picture of lack of communication between developers and those responsible for making sure that the company will get enough money each month.

It's only my opinion but I assume that noone or literally few people in entire game will buy 4th slot orb for 50 hellstones for 14 days...

Quote from ChuGun

Hi guys, I’d like to give a bit of feedback on the latest update.

1. After spending B‑rank blood on the ritual, I received the following bonus:

-10% Shorter cooldown of Blood/Heart slots

-10% Faster return of your units

+10% Better chances of equipment

-10% Shorter recruitment times in the Nourishing Pits

These are nice minor buffs, but they’re definitely not “a powerful sacrificial blessing” as the teaser suggests. I’m a bit disappointed that there’s no option to choose 1 buff, but a more powerful one; and that on 2 accounts I received the same set of buffs, which doesn’t include “More gold and experience from the Ancestral Ruins”.

2. I'd like to see for each layer how many times I’ve completed it that day, so I could understand when I’ll reach the limit. Currently, there’s no such information.

3. Thank you very much for adding the Combat Reports. It’s nice to see that the developers are listening to the community’s requests.

But because I’ve been going through quite a few low‑level layers over the past 10 days, the page selection in my journal looks strange - it have a button for every page from 70 to 170. I assume there should be buttons for the first few pages, the last page, and a button to go to the next page, just like on the forum. This is a non‑critical visual bug, but I hope it will be fixed.

4. The new missions in the tavern are a good innovation, although it will take some time to figure out which of them are really worth it.

5. The price in HellStones for Purity Elixir and Premium Storage Slot is quite high, so I don’t think there will be many people willing to use them.

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I've got 25% from S tier lucky me but they listened us, nerfed ruins, made p2w by almost doubling blood income for premium users and most important they increased drop rate of garbaggio items for me by 25% so now I have to throw them away more often

Quote from Mister Y

Nooo, don't trash Rammor, are you sure you can't equip just for the level? From time to time, in floor 101 I found stuff some levels above me. Just level up a little and you will equip it.

My lvl was above 2321 when I got it so...

Quote from Tunnellord

Thanks for responding Maeve.

Unfortunately, this issue persists across every browser, device, and location (different IP addresses) that I've tested. I checked other servers out of curiosity; in addition to server 49 UK, server 17 NL is experiencing the same problem. I keep getting the same grey screen, and the page is unable to load.

I have been waiting for nearly two weeks for an update on my support ticket. I was previously informed that replying to my own ticket pushes it back down to the game operator level, but the ticket status now indicates that a COMA will be reviewing it. I suppose there is nothing left for me to do but wait... It's quite disappointing.

Yes, it looks like auto-lock. I had a similar issue with wrong payment currency and, to this day, my account redirects me to .uk or .en instead of .pl, and changing the country in account settings doesn’t work because no matter what you pick, they will redirect you to whatever country they want. They did this block precisely on your account for some unknown reasons.

When it comes to logging in, there are known unfixed major issues preventing potential new players from joining the game. The biggest problem is logging in using a Google account — it is not working for Bitefight. How did I create my account then? I had to go to the OGame page and from there log in to my Google account, then go back to Bitefight in order to pick a server and start playing. There was no other option — I tried registration, but it just doesn’t work.

Problems with logging into the account persist in my case all the time. How am I trying to fix it?

Method 1:

When the “Last game” button doesn’t work on https://lobby.bitefight.gameforge.com/(country)/hub, you have to press “Play” and go to https://lobby.bitefight.gameforge.com/(country)/accounts. From there, you have to choose a different server and press “Play”. It should log you into a different server and not wait for loading (it happens in less than 10 seconds, or it won’t happen at all if you wait more than 10 seconds).

If it still won’t work, try again by switching to yet another server, then press “Play” on the next one until you find one that works.

Then go back to your target server on which you want to play (in your case, server 48 UK) and press “Play” from https://lobby.bitefight.gameforge.com/(country)/account.

If it still won’t work, go to https://lobby.bitefight.gameforge.com/(country)/hub and press “Last game”.

If it still won’t work, repeat the whole process but in the browser’s private mode.

If it will work never press logout in-game.

Try this and tell me if any of these fixes helped.

Quote from Mister Y

I think I found an Easter Egg:

It was ages since I saw this picture in game, Anyone else got it?

I found it month ago and I thought that meaby it have hidden always-win mechanic because it's (Game Administrator) but unfortunately no so I kept it for around 2 weeks and deleted it. If you look at it closely this slug thing dripping from blades is 0,1 binary system. You must be lucky I believe it's around 0,01% drop rate. Here is mine:

I'm not sure what is written there but it looks like beelord b-2000 (Harry Potter vibe detected, Nimbus 2000) - probably Game Administrator inicials and 2000 is the date it was introduced or something. When I was playing old version this weapon had +666 to all attributes stats. Back then most powerful weapon available for players was Tuxator with +67 to all and there was no basic and bonus damage as well as talent points and adventure so +666 stats was pretty much equal to always-win condition.

I think that this weapon shouldn't be possible to obtain as well as this one which I cannot even equip:

This was meant to be garbaggio right? who cares if we all keep deleting this trash, one more makes no difference after all except wasting our time... Rammor Ω sucks big time.

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Ok, but you say you know ruines mechanics?

Now in normal ancestral you have power limit as (level + 1) * 10 points

Your units cost 2 / 3 / 4 / 7 / 10 / 15 / 18 / 30 power points respectively

Mosnter units cost 1 / 2 / 3 / 5 / 6 / 10 / 12 / 20 / 25 / 30 points respectively.

Current enemy formation is generated randomly, to fill these points, but with some allowed ranges for units (you'd never see 10+ liches for example or very rare (I did not)).

The generation for new Ruines could have the same logic. Nothing new or special.

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"Current enemy formation is generated randomly, to fill these points, but with some allowed ranges for units (you'd never see 10+ liches for example or very rare (I did not))." - that is wrong. Enemy formations are pre-determined and are repeating but not random! Creators added limited possible formations to the game and formation is not generated randomly by engine but taken from the pool - database of possible variants. Those variants seems to increase in number in higher layers but for lvl 1-10 predicted enemy formations are very much limited for example in layer 1 you have only 2 possible enemy formations 2 skeletons 9 zombies or 10 zombies and nothing more. For lvl 2 you have only this possible formations:

1/10/3

4/7/4

4/10/2

3/9/3

3/12/1

2/5/6

2/11/2

1/7/5

2/8/4

3/6/5

so from 2 at layer 1 it jumps to 10 in layer 2. In layer 3 all possible formations are also 10 in total:

4/12/4

4/15/2

2/16/2

2/13/4

1/12/5

3/11/5

0/11/6

4/9/6

3/11/5

5/10/5

and it keeps increasing in numbers of possible formations for higher levels. In layer 10 as far as I discovered there is 33 unique possible enemy formations in total.

This way instead of processing and calculating each time game only choose one of the possible variants from the database and show it to player. It means that without changing anything to the mechanics game will use exactly the same pool of possible formations for layers in "Undead ruins" as it gives for regular Ancestral ruins resulting in very repetitive enemy encounters.

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I think you have not played the game enough. The amount of data you have is quite limited. I have 3,821 different confirmed battles between layers 1 and 40.

For example, on layer 3, I have fought a total of 220 battles, and I have 15 different enemy formations recorded. These are:

Code

1. [R1:0-R2:11-R3:6]
3. [R1:1-R2:12-R3:5]
4. [R1:1-R2:18-R3:1]
6. [R1:2-R2:10-R3:6]
7. [R1:2-R2:13-R3:4]
8. [R1:2-R2:16-R3:2]
10. [R1:3-R2:11-R3:5]
11. [R1:3-R2:14-R3:3]
12. [R1:3-R2:17-R3:1]
14. [R1:4-R2:9-R3:6]
15. [R1:4-R2:12-R3:4]
16. [R1:4-R2:15-R3:2]
18. [R1:5-R2:13-R3:3]
19. [R1:5-R2:10-R3:5]
20. [R1:5-R2:16-R3:1]

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Regarding the other issue, you also stated that your simulator had reached 100% accuracy, but none of the results you provided were correct. I am quite sure that if I were to send you my 3,821 verified battles, your simulator would probably produce correct results at around 90% accuracy.

Since you have not tested it extensively enough, the results may appear correct to you.

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I'm testing it extensively the issue I face is not the model itself but the formation search engine at the moment. I'm trying to eliminate old wrongly saved battle records. I have 99,89% accuracy on all my verified fights. I may have less unique enemy formations on layer 3 than you but we all know the number of them is fixed.

Meaby your battle saving system is not perfect and saved you wrong results?

I am aware of this issue on my side because my model was developing and not all saved fights may be 100% correct to the truth in-game but 99.89% are the same as my model predicts.

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Does your simulator have a batch testing feature? If you have one, I would like to send you 300 randomly selected verified battle reports in txt format. You give me the results you get in txt format and I pass it through my simulator and tell you the result.

Or in the same way, if you have verified results, you can send them to me in txt format. I will send you the results I got from my own simulator.

By the way, can you throw me the layers of combat that don't give the right result in your simulator?

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Does your simulator have a batch testing feature? If you have one, I would like to send you 300 randomly selected verified battle reports in txt format. You give me the results you get in txt format and I pass it through my simulator and tell you the result. - what is the point of this if we are not sure if 100% of those fights are 100% correctly saved results from the game? As I said, I'm not 100% sure that all my verified records are true because I have few stupid records at lvl 20+ with 0 losses so this is the issue I'm solving right now. I haven't seen any other results from the game which would be different than my model predicts for long time now. Probably I'm just circling around same repetitive fights and not having luck to find 15 layer 3 formations as you did. Our save format is different mine looks like that: lvl1: 3/1/0/1 vs 0/10 = [W] [verified].

I can provide you few fights that don't give same results here u go:

lvl90: 121/62/33/10/7/8/5 vs 15/27/24/26/23/4/3/5/7/5 = -116T1-62T2-33T3-10T4-7T5-8T6-5T7 [W]

lvl95: 157/46/56/13/3/4/4/1 vs 7/12/8/26/10/11/10/5/7/7 = -109T1-46T2-50T3-13T4-3T5-4T6-4T7-1T8 [W]

lvl21: 51/4/11/1/1/3 vs 0/33/21/17/1 = -26T1-4T2-8T3-1T4-1T5-3T6 [W]

lvl17: 28/2/0/9/1/1/0/1 vs 5/38/23/6 = -1T4 [W]

lvl78: 48/59/43/18/1/12/1 vs 15/24/13/8/17/10/3/7/6/4 = -17T1-59T2-18T4-1T5-6T6-1T7 [W]

If your model predicts it then cool but those still might be wrongly saved one's.

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Removed this to avoid possible misleadings. Just wanted to note - this undead ancestral will be less profitable than existing ruins, but still profitable and still interesting

How killing artificially created "leftovers troops" from enemy formations will be interesting? How those formations will form? What Cap limit, what lvl? Less profitable = why someone would like to do it when he/she can do "more profitable" regular Ancestral Ruins?

Ok, but you say you know ruines mechanics?

Now in normal ancestral you have power limit as (level + 1) * 10 points

Your units cost 2 / 3 / 4 / 7 / 10 / 15 / 18 / 30 power points respectively

Mosnter units cost 1 / 2 / 3 / 5 / 6 / 10 / 12 / 20 / 25 / 30 points respectively.

Current enemy formation is generated randomly, to fill these points, but with some allowed ranges for units (you'd never see 10+ liches for example or very rare (I did not)).

The generation for new Ruines could have the same logic. Nothing new or special.

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"Current enemy formation is generated randomly, to fill these points, but with some allowed ranges for units (you'd never see 10+ liches for example or very rare (I did not))." - that is wrong. Enemy formations are pre-determined and are repeating but not random! Creators added limited possible formations to the game and formation is not generated randomly by engine but taken from the pool - database of possible variants. Those variants seems to increase in number in higher layers but for lvl 1-10 predicted enemy formations are very much limited for example in layer 1 you have only 2 possible enemy formations 2 skeletons 9 zombies or 10 zombies and nothing more. For lvl 2 you have only this possible formations:

1/10/3

4/7/4

4/10/2

3/9/3

3/12/1

2/5/6

2/11/2

1/7/5

2/8/4

3/6/5

so from 2 at layer 1 it jumps to 10 in layer 2. In layer 3 all possible formations are also 10 in total:

4/12/4

4/15/2

2/16/2

2/13/4

1/12/5

3/11/5

0/11/6

4/9/6

3/11/5

5/10/5

and it keeps increasing in numbers of possible formations for higher levels. In layer 10 as far as I discovered there is 33 unique possible enemy formations in total.

This way instead of processing and calculating each time game only choose one of the possible variants from the database and show it to player. It means that without changing anything to the mechanics game will use exactly the same pool of possible formations for layers in "Undead ruins" as it gives for regular Ancestral ruins resulting in very repetitive enemy encounters.

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I think you have not played the game enough. The amount of data you have is quite limited. I have 3,821 different confirmed battles between layers 1 and 40.

For example, on layer 3, I have fought a total of 220 battles, and I have 15 different enemy formations recorded. These are:

Code

1. [R1:0-R2:11-R3:6]
3. [R1:1-R2:12-R3:5]
4. [R1:1-R2:18-R3:1]
6. [R1:2-R2:10-R3:6]
7. [R1:2-R2:13-R3:4]
8. [R1:2-R2:16-R3:2]
10. [R1:3-R2:11-R3:5]
11. [R1:3-R2:14-R3:3]
12. [R1:3-R2:17-R3:1]
14. [R1:4-R2:9-R3:6]
15. [R1:4-R2:12-R3:4]
16. [R1:4-R2:15-R3:2]
18. [R1:5-R2:13-R3:3]
19. [R1:5-R2:10-R3:5]
20. [R1:5-R2:16-R3:1]

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Regarding the other issue, you also stated that your simulator had reached 100% accuracy, but none of the results you provided were correct. I am quite sure that if I were to send you my 3,821 verified battles, your simulator would probably produce correct results at around 90% accuracy.

Since you have not tested it extensively enough, the results may appear correct to you.

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I'm testing it extensively the issue I face is not the model itself but the formation search engine at the moment. I'm trying to eliminate old wrongly saved battle records. I have 99,89% accuracy on all my verified fights. I may have less unique enemy formations on layer 3 than you but we all know the number of them is fixed.

Meaby your battle saving system is not perfect and saved you wrong results?

I am aware of this issue on my side because my model was developing and not all saved fights may be 100% correct to the truth in-game but 99.89% are the same as my model predicts.

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"Remains less profitable than the current Ruins, helping maintain game balance."

Removed this to avoid possible misleadings. Just wanted to note - this undead ancestral will be less profitable than existing ruins, but still profitable and still interesting

How killing artificially created "leftovers troops" from enemy formations will be interesting? How those formations will form? What Cap limit, what lvl? Less profitable = why someone would like to do it when he/she can do "more profitable" regular Ancestral Ruins?

Ok, but you say you know ruines mechanics?

Now in normal ancestral you have power limit as (level + 1) * 10 points

Your units cost 2 / 3 / 4 / 7 / 10 / 15 / 18 / 30 power points respectively

Mosnter units cost 1 / 2 / 3 / 5 / 6 / 10 / 12 / 20 / 25 / 30 points respectively.

Current enemy formation is generated randomly, to fill these points, but with some allowed ranges for units (you'd never see 10+ liches for example or very rare (I did not)).

The generation for new Ruines could have the same logic. Nothing new or special.

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"Current enemy formation is generated randomly, to fill these points, but with some allowed ranges for units (you'd never see 10+ liches for example or very rare (I did not))." - that is wrong. Enemy formations are pre-determined and are repeating but not random! Creators added limited possible formations to the game and formation is not generated randomly by engine but taken from the pool - database of possible variants. Those variants seems to increase in number in higher layers but for lvl 1-10 predicted enemy formations are very much limited for example in layer 1 you have only 2 possible enemy formations 2 skeletons 9 zombies or 10 zombies and nothing more. For lvl 2 you have only this possible formations:

1/10/3

4/7/4

4/10/2

3/9/3

3/12/1

2/5/6

2/11/2

1/7/5

2/8/4

3/6/5

so from 2 at layer 1 it jumps to 10 in layer 2. In layer 3 all possible formations are also 10 in total:

4/12/4

4/15/2

2/16/2

2/13/4

1/12/5

3/11/5

0/11/6

4/9/6

3/11/5

5/10/5

and it keeps increasing in numbers of possible formations for higher levels. In layer 10 as far as I discovered there is 33 unique possible enemy formations in total.

This way instead of processing and calculating each time game only choose one of the possible variants from the database and show it to player. It means that without changing anything to the mechanics game will use exactly the same pool of possible formations for layers in "Undead ruins" as it gives for regular Ancestral ruins resulting in very repetitive enemy encounters.

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I am stuck on Level 86. My unit cap is 870.

I have already tried the following combinations and all of them ended in a loss (around 4348 EXP).

T1 | T2 | T3 | T4 | T5 | T6 | T7

70 | 102 | 50 | 4 | 13 | 2 | 2

82 | 94 | 50 | 4 | 13 | 2 | 2

82 | 99 | 50 | 4 | 13 | 1 | 2

91 | 90 | 50 | 10 | 10 | 2 | 1

Does anyone have a setup that can beat Level 86?

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Give me enemy formation and I will give you answer. I'm happy because I replicated model 1:1 and reached 100% match.

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I am also working on the algorithm. So far, I have analyzed 3,821 confirmed different battles between layers 1–40. My algorithm produced the same result as the system in 3,817 of them. It produced different results from the system in only 4 of them.

Would it be possible for me to send you these 4 battles, and for you to send me the number of losses calculated by your system?

#w1 / Enemy: [R1:8-R2:33-R3:12] --- Us: [T1:1-T2:2-T3:0-T4:5-T5:1-T6:0-T7:0-T8:1]

#w2 / Enemy: [R1:4-R2:26-R3:8] --- Us: [T1:0-T2:2-T3:0-T4:2-T5:1-T6:0-T7:0-T8:1]

#w3 / Enemy: [R1:9-R2:41-R3:23-R4:8] --- Us: [T1:12-T2:2-T3:4-T4:7-T5:1-T6:1-T7:0-T8:1]

#w4 / Enemy: [R1:32-R2:15-R3:15-R4:21-R5:18-R6:8] --- Us: [T1:34-T2:1-T3:1-T4:18-T5:1-T6:4-T7:0-T8:1]

According to your system, how many losses are there from each unit type?

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Give me it in this format: lvl20: 14/2/11/11/1/1/0/1 vs 3/38/22/13 = -1T5 where cluster 1 is player troops and cluster 2 is enemy troops. I don't have time to calculate which lvl it is, your formation format is a mess.

Ok, let me guess lvls:

w1: lvl8: 1/2/0/5/1/0/0/1 vs 8/33/12 = -1T8 [W]

w2: lvl5: 0/2/0/2/1/0/0/1 vs 4/26/8 = -1T8 [W]

w3: lvl14: 12/2/4/7/1/1/0/1 vs 9/41/23/8 = -1T5 [W]

w4: lvl30: 34/1/1/18/1/4/0/1 vs 32/15/15/21/18/8 = -34T1-1T2-1T3-18T4-1T5-4T6-1T8 [L]

Some of the fights even with the same formations may differ still sometimes in cases with cultist RNG - W2 is example of this sometimes it will result in -1T8 loss and sometimes with 0 loss so for this one it is better to assume always -1T8 loss.

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Quote from TanarisJupiter

"Remains less profitable than the current Ruins, helping maintain game balance."

Removed this to avoid possible misleadings. Just wanted to note - this undead ancestral will be less profitable than existing ruins, but still profitable and still interesting

How killing artificially created "leftovers troops" from enemy formations will be interesting? How those formations will form? What Cap limit, what lvl? Less profitable = why someone would like to do it when he/she can do "more profitable" regular Ancestral Ruins?

Bro, please use your brain when you make suggestion for adding new feature to the game, we don't want to read ChatGPT creation here.

First of all how you imagine this could work? You haven't described it precisely what is this new undead ruins mode so I'm guessing it's not player troops vs player troops but extension of regular Ancestral Ruins where you fight with predetermined enemy formations. If yes then it is no different to regular Ancestral Ruins - only change is new levels but don't you think that making layer 102-200 in regular Ancestral Ruins would be very similar concept?

I know battle model very well and in it there is very slight room for any errors. Adding +1/-1 troop more or less often can cause front collapse and can result in full wipe instead of winning with almost no losses.

Current Ancestral Ruins mechanics don't allow for anything other than fighting against challenging predetermined enemy formations that are set in such way that you can defeat them with given troops CAP.

What do you mean by:

• "Remains less profitable than the current Ruins, helping maintain game balance."

Are you implying that players after finishing layer 101 Ancestral Ruins should switch to "Undead Ruins"? After reaching lvl 101 I should lose ability of repeating layers in regular Ancestral Ruins and get "Undead Ruins" as it's replacement? What then happens with lvl 101 which now acts as a reward for players allowing them to always get gear adequate to their lvl? It's crucial for all who reached lvl 5000+ because as we all know armors, helms, boots, jewellery, shields and gloves end up at around 5000 lvl and only weapon section goes to 9110 lvl - the highest lvl item that you can purchase in shop.

• "For every 10 enemy units killed in regular layers, the player receives 1 undead unit.
• Progress is accumulated. For example, if a player kills 7 units, they gain 7/10 progress. After killing 5 more units, the total becomes 12/10, granting 1 undead unit and leaving 2/10 progress toward the next one. "

I understand it as copy-paste of Heroes III - IV necromancy mechanic or something very similar but it would mean that in order to get any troops in "Undead ruins" you must lose around 10x more troops in regular Ancestral Ruins.

I don't get the whole concept and what are you aiming to achieve with it. There is absolute no plan for implementation of it and I still don't know how it should work.

AI have no clue about Bitefight game so stop asking it for answers, think for yourself and reconsider again if this feature you are suggesting now is really necessary? Don't you think that it would be better to expand regular Ancestral Ruins instead? Having 2 Ancestral Ruin modes sounds confusing.

Stats is your "power value" - it is calculated in pairs against enemy:

Strength vs Endurance

Defense vs Dexterity

Example:

PlayerA have 2000 stength and is fighting against PlayerB with 1000 Endurance -> it means that PlayerB will receive 100% more damage from all sources because the difference is 2:1 - I'm not sure if it's such basic or diminishing return % but it works like that.

It means that if PlayerA have for example in total +800 bonus damage then it's real value is doubled to +1600. Basic damage is flat and stays in the same value regardless of players stats difference.

In late game all that matter is + damage and + hit chance because monsters in grotto have such OP hit chance that it is almost impossible to reduce their hit chance to 25% (try doing that for lvl 8000 Knight on Hard mode) there are not much good items for hit chance reduction and compared to items with + basic damage and + bonus damage which gives a lot more value it is pointless to pick them at all. At lvl 300-500 they are worthy and can win you fights but later on the disproportion keeps increasing.

It is all connected, the pattern is as follows:

Stats difference between players which set % values for -> bonuses from items -> bonuses from talents -> bonuses from adventure -> final result

"I’m trying to better understand how talents and stats actually work. For example, how is it possible for one player at around level 4400 to have 2500 Strength, while another player at level 4700 has nearly 4000 Strength?" - the answer here is simple: Some players were lucky enough to be able to stack gold for -60% cost for all attributes event and some had to increase stats for normal cost because they are facing other players doing PvP with them on their battle-value range.

I hope I helped you a bit. If you have any more questions feel free to ask.