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    I've compiled a few questions about combat mechanics that my tests haven't answered. It would be great to receive another post in the FAQ thread with comments, but I'd also be satisfied with an official response stating that "no other information will be provided, and players should conduct their own tests." diabla2  Maeve


    Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that several players on the forum have expressed the need for a combat report. If its wolud be detailed enough, players can learn all the answers to their questions about various mechanics from it. If such a report isn't planned in the near future, it would be helpful for players to receive a notification from the administration about it.


    Speed mechanics:

    There are two pairs of enemies that stand in the same position (Vanguard/Rearguard) and have the same speed (Bloated Corpse/Bone giant and Bonewing/Wraith). I've seen several questions on the forum about which one attacks and who gets attacked first. In my battles, I assume that the left-most/lower-tier unit attacks and takes damage first, and this assumption almost always works as expected, but not in 100% of cases. Without a detailed combat report, I can't determine whether my assumption is incorrect, if I've made a mistake in my calculations, or if it's a bug. It would be great to receive clarification.


    The next set of questions pertains to the passive abilities of player units and enemies.

    Player units:


    1. Does the passive ability of Tier 5 (Necromancer) provide a damage bonus to all my units, or only to the Necromancer itself? Does this bonus depend on the number of Tier 5 units in the group, or is it always equal to 10%? Since the description doesn't include the phrase "While this unit is alive," as is the case with the enemy T7 (Revenant), does the bonus persist after the death of my T5 group?

    2. The aura of the T6 group (Gargoyle) provides a speed debuff. Does this debuff only affect the enemy groups that are attacking the Gargoyle, or does it affect all enemies that are attacking at least one unit? Does it affect all groups that are attacking, including my own? Can this debuff be applied to a group multiple times?

    3. Does T7's ability to deal damage to all Rearguard units also can hit my units?


    Enemy units:


    1. How does T2's (Zombie) revival work? I've noticed that if the first attack kills all the zombies, the revived ones deal damage to my units in the same round. However, I'm unsure about what happens if not all the zombies are killed during the attack. Does a portion of the zombies revive, resulting in two groups of zombies, each capable of attacking and taking damage?

    2. T3 (Undead cultist) - the 10% bonus does not depend on the number of this unit in the group, correct?

    3. If T6 (Wraith) receives a bonus to damage, does this bonus disappear at the end of the round, or is it retained? If it is retained, is it applied additively or multiplicatively in the next round?

    4. When T9 (Broodmother) survives, does it create exactly 10 spiders, or 10 for each surviving Broodmother? What type of unit are these spiders (Brute/Occult/Monstro), and what position do they occupy (Vanguard or Rearguard)?

    Many players have raised the need for a detailed combat report. Currently, after each battle, we can only see how many of our own units died. We have no information about the state of the enemy after the fight.


    We would like to request the following, in order of priority:

    • A detailed round-by-round combat report showing the attack order, damage dealt, and casualties on both sides.

    • If a full report is not feasible, at minimum: the ability to see how many enemy units survived after each battle (e.g., "Enemy remaining: 5 Skeletons, 3 Zombies").

    • The ability to review past battles — even a summary of previous encounters would help players identify patterns and learn from mistakes.


    Without this information, it is extremely difficult to understand combat outcomes, identify what went wrong, or optimize army composition. Even a simple enemy survival summary would be a significant improvement.


    If a battle report is not planned in the near future, we would appreciate an official statement from the administration so players can adjust their expectations accordingly.

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    Exactly, the perception is that the speed factor works differently than previously understood. Is that correct?

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    Lvl 35: 51-50-13-8 ( Won on 2 servers vs different comps)

    Could you tell me what layers were used and the composition?

    55 r1

    50 r2

    20 r3

    10 r4

    3 r5

    LVL 43


    55 r1

    51 r2

    20 r3

    11 r4

    3 r5

    LVL 44


    55 r1

    51 r2

    20 r3

    11 r4

    4 r5

    LVL 45


    55 r1

    51 r2

    20 r3

    11 r4

    5 r5

    LVL 46


    56 r1

    51 r2

    22 r3

    11 r4

    5 r5

    LVL 47


    57 r1

    55 r2

    21 r3

    11 r4

    5 r5

    LVL 48


    59 r1

    57 r2

    21 r3

    11 r4

    5 r5

    LVL 49


    U can see the patern here, for now this type of combination carries me hard. Losing a little bit of r1 , mostly all of r2,r4,r5 and no casualties for r3. Tbh i don't know what's the thing, i just know this combinations doing the job for me on 2 servers...

    By floor 41 the new unit, Necromancer, is useless by itself, because they being wiped out in one shot by bone wings, but they open the chances to Banshee to finally survive the first round and make a precious attack during the second round. So I guess that Necromancer will be useful by floor 51, like the Banshee was a waste by 31 to 40.


    Someone asked who would be attacked first, between Bone Wings and Terror of the Grave, because they both have 4 speed.


    After some attacks after level 41, I feel the first one to be attacked is the Terror of the Grave. My considerations are: in first round Banshee attacks Cultists, in second round, if she attacks Bone Wings, they are the only enemies capable to hit the rear guard and at the end some Banshees may survive and there would be a lot less casualities in our rear guard. Instead, after every victory, all Necromancers and Banshee die, every time.


    It means the first 2 rounds work in this way:

    Round 1: Banshee destroy cultists.

    Bone Wings destroy Necromancers.

    Round 2 : Banshee attack Terror of The Grave.

    Bone wings destroy Banshee.

    Then the battle goes on as usual witn Bone Wings attacking bats.

    I suggest using names like Tier I Unit, Tier II Unit, and so on.


    Otherwise, there will always be confusion when different races are mixed. For example, I have no idea what a Necromancer or Banshee is, since those names are unique to Vampires, and Vamp players might not know what Night Stalker (Tier III) or Phantom Prowler (Tier IV) are.

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    Savaş raporunu nereden görüyorsunuz ?
    Hangi turda kimin ne kadar saldırı yaptığını nereden biliyorsunuz ?

    biz nerede hata yapıyoruz acaba ? neden savaş raporu göremiyoruz ?

    Sadly we can't see the battle reports. I hope we could in future, but for now, it's just my idea. But I think I'm right about Banshee (tier 4) and Necromancer (tier 5).

    I still have a lot of troubles to understand how zombies work, so the front line it's just a matter of luck.

    Equipment drops are one of the most annoying features of this new update. It's useless junk that constantly fills up the inventory. Delete. Delete. Delete. Delete. Delete.

    And for what? It doesn't even give a minimal amount of gold. It's not a gift. It's not useful. It's nothing.


    I am wondering what the programmers were thinking when they implemented this useless inventory spam.


    Please implement an option to turn this nuisance off. I am pretty sure I have deleted over a hundred pieces of this crap in the last few days.

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    Seems that starting from layer 85, there is no limit on the level of dropped items. So I expect that in the near future someone will show a screenshot of the received 4000-6000 level item, and then a screenshot of a useful high-level item.

    If you spam the lower layers too often, then deleting the junk is a small fee for the benefits you receive:)


    Dreams are fine, but until then this is just a spam nuisance - honestly worse than junk mail. Junk mail at least ends up in the spam box most of the time, while this usless zero value thing fills up the inventory every single day.


    My guess is that you're not repeating the lower layers hourly like some players do, otherwise you'd know exactly what I'm talking about. Just yesterday I deleted around 50 of those useless pieces. If they at least had some minimal value - like a small amount of gold or something it wouldn't feel so bad.


    But no, it's just delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete... over and over again.

    And to make things even worse, every time you delete a piece, it kicks you out of the inventory back to the top. So if you have, say, 15 crappy gloves you have to scroll down each time to delete them individually.


    That's basically the daily routine: clearing out dozens of completely worthless items from the inventory. Just give it some value if the thing is already there, and it won't look half as bad.

    What you're selling now is more or less a pipe dream. There will be thousands of deletes on a monthly basis. And for what? No gold, no benefit, nothing. It's like endless war with spam bot posts.

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    If this bothers you a lot, you might want to consider staying away from the floors where objects fall.


    Sometimes I do the same when the storage room gets full.


    Edit: But it would definitely be better if the dropped items had some value.

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    Why?

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    If this bothers you a lot, you might want to consider staying away from the floors where objects fall.


    Sometimes I do the same when the storage room gets full.


    Edit: But it would definitely be better if the dropped items had some value.


    Why would I? It's objective criticism, a matter for discussion, suggestions, etc... all to improve things for players, which is what the forum is for. Aside from that, you basically did the same thing and confirmed my points in your last sentence.


    I prefer reading constructive, on-topic arguments instead of commenting on the person. ;-)

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    I can confirm that, from 85 you have a chance to get equipment for your level. I was unlucky I got nothing